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Sydney_Iron 5:24 Tue Jan 9
How f@cked is the NHS

Always thought the UK had something to be proud of with the NHS but after what has happened with my Uncle m not so sure…….

Had a lung infection, taken to hospital, fluid drained off his lungs told he needed some kind of operation and would be transferred to a London hospital the next day will stay overnight on a general ward.

That evening suffers a heart attack but they resuscitate him but its touch and go, and they need to send him to intensive care ASAP, problem is no beds available and not enough staff, a young doctor sees him briefly but he will have to wait…….He dies.

My Cousins are gutted and pretty angry, Hospital didn’t realise one of my Cousins is a consultant at another big hospital and as well as losing her Dad is demanding a report and answers as to how and why (had the young intern doctor been left to play god and decide who gets intensive care and who doesn’t?), Hospital has gone shtum, and wont comment until an autopsy has been done.

Aside from this devastating my family, its sad for the UK as apparently its not uncommon these days due to lack of beds and staff in many intensive care wards across the UK, oh and my family is in no way angry with the doctors and staff who did all they could or were forced into an impossible decision, the anger is at the government and local authority who run the hospital.

Westham67 5:36 Tue Jan 9
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Yes it's truly fucked and going to get worse under these cunts

Sorry for your Loss buddy

Sydney_Iron 5:55 Tue Jan 9
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Your right 67, and its not as if Doctors and NHS staff on the ground have not been warning about it, a quick google brings up pages of the stuff just on the one issue of grossly understaffed intensive care and lack of beds in the NHS, but what has been done about it????

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/29/nhs-intensive-care-at-its-limits-because-of-staff-shortages

Got to take you hat off to those that do try and run and work in these units, mu Uncle may well have died anyway but thats not the gripe, any chance he had was lowered even further by the inadequate facilities and lack of staff

HairyHammer 6:00 Tue Jan 9
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If it were a Horse it would be shot.

Special units are excellent if you survive long enough, last year I saw them bring back a practically dead man my first cousin with heart problems, he had open heart surgery and the care was excellent he survived and is still here.
Sadly I also saw them send my 33 year old niece home even though she pleaded that she felt very tired and unwell she had an enlarged heart and they knew this but still sent her home, that girl died two days later she just fainted and died at home, three young kids and a baby left behind, her brother had died in a hospital only two years previously he was 35 and died in hospital the reason not enough Doctors and not enough nurses taking care of patients.
Sadly what I have seen in the last four years is that the NHS is a bit of a lottery and there is no consistency.

HairyHammer 6:10 Tue Jan 9
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By the way the man who they brought back from the dead was over 70 years old.

Can I also say that keeping Jeremy Hunt is a kick in the face of probably every Nurse and many of the doctors too, he has been bloody awful and is roundly disliked by the workers of the organisation he obviously has no empathy and has done absolutely nothing to improve it since he took charge why May keeps him there only God knows.

Oh Sydney sorry for your loss mate.

Darby_ 6:14 Tue Jan 9
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The NHS isn’t as important as wealthy people getting a tax cut.

Mex Martillo 7:52 Tue Jan 9
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Really sad to read that, really sorry for what has happened to your family.

It is no consolation, but my mother and father are at that age 84-85 when they are in and out of hopsital about every month and we are very impressed with the NHS, even the waiting has not been bad and the staff are very caring and excellent.

On taxes, I do not understand people that want to reduce taxes on the rich, all the stats show the rich getting richer during the crises and people want to make that even more exaggerated?!?

Sven Roeder 7:58 Tue Jan 9
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Sorry about your Uncle

May WANTED Hunt to move from Health to Business but he said no so he carries on. Strong and stable leadership

The impression from someone who hasn’t used the NHS much recently is that they are overwhelmed trying to do too much for too many people so basic services are stretched to breaking point.

Private Dancer 8:06 Tue Jan 9
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Sorry to here that, Sydney.

Must be more and more people taking out private health care in the UK now. Relying on the NHS is a lottery.

13 Brentford Rd 8:31 Tue Jan 9
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Sorry for your loss Sydney.

The media and the lefty public will blame the Tories & their cuts.
The most obvious elephant in the room which is not allowed to be aired is immigration and the sheer numbers, many of whom are not entitled. You only have to walk into any inner city or suburban docs surgery or hospital and it's s obvious.

Nicey 9:05 Tue Jan 9
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Problems

We believe it is the envy of the world when in fact most developed countries have far better provision

Labour have politicised it and many doctors and nurses are now mouth pieces for them and not able to get away from group think

The only answer consequestive governments have ever had is to chuck more money at it. That is the level of thinking.

Our population has increased by over 3m over the last 10yrs

People live longer

We live in an age where people want to have things wrong with them to be different

Anything that is free is abused and not respected

Money is spent on initiatives that become even more of a drain rather than on seeking efficiencies. The funding model means that nobody has to truly think of the efficiency of outcomes.

Saying all of the above makes me evil and that is where the conversations ends

Chuck even more money at it

stewie griffin 9:11 Tue Jan 9
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Sorry for your loss, sydders

Fwiw, the NHS is still very good, it's just that no one ever bothers to tell the thousands of positive experiences every day. Back end of last year a friend from work used our private healthcare for an op and wound up being transferred to an nhs hospital for emergency treatment when there were complications. Why? Because it was better resourced and permanently staffed with the relevant skill set.

In the last few years I've spent more time than I'd care to in nhs hospitals on a variety of cancer treatments (not mine) and things as menial as appendicitis. Never once had a negative experience with staff, availability of staff or treatment generally.
There have been, though, recurring issues that have happened EVERY time I've been there. The first is the people that use it. They are rude, demanding and with an overwhelming sense of entitlement. Absolutely nothing is good enough. If staff were able to focus on doing their job - medical care - rather than having to be counsellors to yet another jumped up twerp screaming abuse because they've had to wait 5 minutes to see someone - normally because they have a cold, but they're entitled to see someone because they pay their taxes blah blah blah- then resources wouldn't be so stretched

The second is the process of getting out of hospital once you are recovered. It's little wonder there are no beds available when most of them are full of perfectly healthy people waiting to go home - but they can't because in order to be released it requires about 17 different signatures, almost exclusively from people who aren't working at that time. On only one of 8 occasions have we been able to leave on the same day as we were told we were ok to go home, and that was because we self discharged. This is, of course, as with most things nowadays all just a giant arse covering exercise because if you don't do it and tick every box imaginable then there is the risk of being sued

It'll always be a political hot potato and governments of respective hues have continued to throw more and more money at it, but the biggest problems are, and will continue to be, societies attitudes to entitlement and blame culture.

w4hammer 9:51 Tue Jan 9
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the sad reality is that the intensive care beds in london are often full of street ******s ( yellow card on the way!) who are stabbing each other- watched a programme the other day -
each stabbing takes not less than 20, yes 20 people just to get them through A&E and into intensive care- these are going on every day. If you are trying to manage a hospital resources, how on earth do you cope with that kind of surge on a daily basis- simple fact is you cant always...

Add to that FAT CUNTS, pissheads, lazy cunts who treat the NHS service like its a fucking concierge.

Its the 4th largest employer in the world. Anyone thinks its a Tory problem is either a liar, deluded or Jeremy Corbyn...Mid Staffs Hospital etc , anyone?!

On the subject of junior doctors- I kind of agree however hasnt that always been the case i.e you learn on the job- and have to make those kind of decisions fast!? My sons pal who is 26 started at AIntree Hospital in the summer after qualifying and on his third night was cutting a bullet out of a gangsters leg...he hadnt learnt that in any of his education but as he said noone at the hospital had done it before either- thats what medicine is about.

Really sorry to hear your loss- my mum is 85 and its a battle to get her treatment however the problem is multi faceted and i dont believe its a £££ alone that will fix her or anyone elses problem.

The after hospital social care is the biggest block- maybe now jeremy cunt has got control of that he will turn into the legend he thinks he is!

Bungo 9:55 Tue Jan 9
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stewie griffin 9:11 Tue Jan 9
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Back end of last year a friend from work used our private healthcare for an op and wound up being transferred to an nhs hospital for emergency treatment when there were complications. Why? Because it was better resourced and permanently staffed with the relevant skill set.

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Great example.

Essentially the private sector is fine if you need something fairly minor doing at your convenience, with better food and sheets and a better 'doily-factor'.

The staff are often the same people working in the NHS, but more tired as they are often working an extra shift in the private hospital to boost their earnings after their NHS shifts.

There won't always be an anaesthetist on site, so if you need something major doing in a hurry, as Stewie said, you'll likely be transferred back to the good old NHS hospital.

Be aware that you are really paying for the convenience, a smiling receptionist, better food and wallpaper, not better care.

wansteadman 10:15 Tue Jan 9
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My aunt is a district nurse and has always said she wouldn't have treatment in a private hospital as if anything went wrong there would be no one about to step in in an emergency

Tomshardware 10:20 Tue Jan 9
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w4hammer 9:51 Tue Jan 9

Agreed, there are a huge number of people who are a burden on the NHS and the rest of us. People not taking care of themselves and eating/dinking/smoking to excess. Make these people pay for treatment.

Russ of the BML 10:22 Tue Jan 9
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Sorry for your loss.

But I have only admiration and total respect for the NHS and the staff that work within it and that is born from the periods within my own life where I have been used the NHS. Either for myself, my kids, other family etc etc. I have always found them to be utterly remarkable in the level of care that they offer.

Mistakes will happen from time to time. They aren't miracle workers. There are huge funding and resource issues. But the bottom line is that the NHS is an unbelievable and unique service.

Hermit Road 10:26 Tue Jan 9
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Sorry for your loss.

The most effective health systems by outcomes in the world are based on a privatised system. I think it’s time we tried that here. Overhaul the whole system. The NHS might have been ok for 1945, it’s not for for a modern country though. We are slaves to the idea the the NHS should be free at the point of delivery, and paid for by someone else. It’s like the state religion here.

Side of Ham 10:32 Tue Jan 9
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It’s a shitfest as you can’t staff it properly for a number of reasons for instance, nurses get ok money but have to work stupid hours to make it very good money (which you need in London and the surrounding counties) which leads to some dropping out then more drop out because they’ve been left with too much to do in shifts and then this knocks on to the doctors who have impossible conditions to work in.Everyone thought it was great because foreign nurses were plugging the gap for the average money to take a lot of shit, and they won’t take it no more as it’s just not worth the impossible stress and the likely outcome you’ll get blamed by the bosses, because they can’t fund the wards properly.

They’ve broken the staff spirit and turned it into a blame culture vocation.They’re likely to be thrown under the bus at every opportunity so why do it if you’re not appreciated?

If you were picking a career at school leaving age you’d be rare to pick nursing over here in this day and age.

Sniper 10:35 Tue Jan 9
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That’s terrible, I’m so sorry to hear that. Unfortunately the nhs is somethingnof a sinking ship. As much of it as possible has been privatised to companies who couldn’t care less, and the remaining central elements are woefully understaffed and under funded. Nurses do an incredible job on pretty crapnincone and haven’t had a pay rise in years. Then hunt wants to screw over the junior doctors. These are people whose daily job is saving people’s lives - it doesn’t get much more important than that.

Add to that the fact that experienced staff are turning heir backs in the profession after years in it because they can get the same money and better conditions selling cleaning produce online or working in John Lewis (my wife is a nurse and two people she knows have done exactly that) and the fact that Brexit means there soon won’t be vast numbers of brilliant foreign workers coming over to plug the gaps and send all their wages home whilst living in a shitty bedsit, and the problem will only get worse.

Hermit Road 10:35 Tue Jan 9
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https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-staffing-numbers

Since 2010, the number of nurses has increased in the NHS.

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